tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8471945807770665088.post4866119853727880936..comments2023-02-16T03:46:06.845-06:00Comments on Presbylaw.: Question on Delegates?Jimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18354426127012631182noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8471945807770665088.post-59554809919635515222008-07-20T22:45:00.000-05:002008-07-20T22:45:00.000-05:00Yes, that is helpful. It will be interesting to se...Yes, that is helpful. It will be interesting to see after the Presbyteries vote, how much difference there is between the GA vote and the Presbytery votes. I am still disappointed that the property clause did not get a vote.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18354426127012631182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8471945807770665088.post-76652279842036586572008-07-20T21:10:00.000-05:002008-07-20T21:10:00.000-05:00Steve - Yes, you are correct we took electronic vo...Steve - Yes, you are correct we took electronic votes on anything that would seem controversial and more than once even on voice votes, division of the house was called by others and or we just did it anyway. Some, in fact, thought we overused the electronic system, but I would rather take the electronic to avoid as much confusion as possible.<BR/><BR/>Jim - The commissioners SHOULD all be elected by some process of each Presbytery. Most Presbyteries now use some kind of rotation model (Seniority and or Congregational rotation) so there is hopefully less politicking in the presbytery. While Presbytery staff are eligible to be commissioners, and have been in the past, I don't recall hearing of any this year.<BR/><BR/>So regardless of what one thinks about decisions and/or whether they reflect the true nature of the church, they are people in the pews and pulpits of the church.<BR/><BR/>Hope that is helpful.<BR/><BR/>BruceReyes-Chowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11451771444245327378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8471945807770665088.post-58975725325890595962008-07-07T10:10:00.000-05:002008-07-07T10:10:00.000-05:00My REAL question was are ALL of the voting delegat...My REAL question was are <B>ALL</B> of the voting delegates elected by a Presbytery? None are staff, or Seminaries?Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18354426127012631182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8471945807770665088.post-27000053853078353852008-07-02T10:28:00.000-05:002008-07-02T10:28:00.000-05:00Hi Jim- In answer to your question about advisory...Hi Jim-<BR/> In answer to your question about advisory delegates voting, on a voice vote there is no official check of who is voting. However, they are intermixed with the rest of the commissioners so they are under obligation of their own conscience as well as the enforcement of those around them.<BR/><BR/>I would also add that on several votes I thought were not close on voice vote the Moderator or Vice-moderator called for a recorded vote using the electronic voting pad. On one of those it came back closer than I would have though. One side shouting louder? Vote changes or delegates voting? Hard to judge from the cheap seats in the back? I don't know. Most controversial votes were taken electronically, with the significant exception of the approval of the Belhar for the confession process.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com