tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8471945807770665088.post6183225064258128704..comments2023-02-16T03:46:06.845-06:00Comments on Presbylaw.: Letter from the Kirk SessionJimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18354426127012631182noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8471945807770665088.post-20816356720631690842008-11-30T21:18:00.000-06:002008-11-30T21:18:00.000-06:00The Kirk vote was 578 to 361 in favor of buying ou...The Kirk vote was 578 to 361 in favor of buying our property.<BR/><BR/><BR/>A Kirk MemberAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8471945807770665088.post-15214743302788226362008-11-28T20:56:00.000-06:002008-11-28T20:56:00.000-06:00From a human prospective, both votes (accept, appe...From a human prospective, both votes (accept, appeal) have negatives and positives. This is a no-win, situation forced by PCUSA and EOP. God's way was for EOP to dismiss Kirk with grace and love and Kirk to give an free-will offering after the settlement.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14263081035274920922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8471945807770665088.post-90851856325071839412008-11-28T14:52:00.000-06:002008-11-28T14:52:00.000-06:00Rev. Toby:A real member and very active one. I ap...Rev. Toby:<BR/>A real member and very active one. I apologize that it would appear that you would make similar comments as Tom; despite speaking unity. <BR/>It is rather interesting the Session stated "...each of them has chosen not to take a public position." and then in the next paragraph stated that Tom did. Just too bizarre. It would had been best for Tom to come put publicly apologize for his blunder of a statement and now the Session has condone the blunder further. Once again the quote was “..Co-pastor Tom Gray, who does not have a vote, said he was satisfied with the vote, although he would have voted to continue with the lawsuit rather than paying for the property again.” (http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20081019_1__Bythe51410)<BR/>It sometimes best to keep your thoughts to yourself and attempt to further watch you other actions, but Tom does have a challenge with this. What pains me is that Tom and Wayne have put themselves in a pickle of situation with their actions (you have be there to see it) and hope we are able to work past it. The sooner this lawsuit is over; the better for all because I am concerned just what the PCUSA wish would occur with The Kirk could occur (lack of unity).<BR/><BR/>Thanks, <BR/>AnonymousAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8471945807770665088.post-55182544738001947162008-11-28T11:37:00.000-06:002008-11-28T11:37:00.000-06:00I wonder who this anonymous commenter is or if he/...I wonder who this anonymous commenter is or if he/she is even a real member of the church in question. Hmmm.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8471945807770665088.post-8937106735344313852008-11-27T14:26:00.000-06:002008-11-27T14:26:00.000-06:00Reformed Catholic:Oh I read the letter; unfortunat...Reformed Catholic:<BR/>Oh I read the letter; unfortunately some of the statements in the letters do not coincided with the reality of seating in the pew each Sunday and hearing /watching Tom and Wayne suggestive “appeal” comments /emotions on this issue, and fellow congregational members comments. The reality is that Tom and Wayne and many of the staff are glad for this second chance to vote and many of them are hoping for the appeal route. So since the last vote, Tom and Wayne really never got on the bus of the “will of congregation”, even though it was a “razor-thin congregational vote” (Tom’s quote). When they speak regarding buying the church you see their shoulders slump, but when they speak about the appeal route they are giddy kids full of excitement. It is rather interesting to watch. And then they speak of unity in their sermons…….and they are having difficult time walking the talk…and everyone see it.<BR/> It is best Tom and Wayne keep low key on this issue..otherwise they are going to upset either one of various parties in the church, which I and no one really wants to happen. I hope and pray the Session have the pastors have a heart-to-heart talk that they need to walk their talk in all venues.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8471945807770665088.post-25919920234559848862008-11-27T12:34:00.000-06:002008-11-27T12:34:00.000-06:00Obviously you've not read the preceding letter fro...Obviously you've not read the preceding letter from an Elder on the Kirk's Session.Reformed Catholichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15582319442292078422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8471945807770665088.post-13783669027925844612008-11-27T07:48:00.000-06:002008-11-27T07:48:00.000-06:00Tom Gray's comment to the Tulsa World reporter, Bi...Tom Gray's comment to the Tulsa World reporter, Bill Sherman was TOTALLY inappropriate particularly in his role and he did not have to comment. This comment and other comments by the pastors have been less than the “unity” sermons they are giving.<BR/>It is best all future public communications on this matter come from the Sessions and NOT the Pastors. The Pastors should focus on their sermons and LEAVE all comments about the matter out of their sermons; we are rather tired of hearing about it. We can deal with it this situation but when we hear about this topic during the sermon it destroys the message.<BR/>I understand the pastors are in a tough spot in this matter, but unfortunately they have created a more difficult situation for themselves by not holding back their comments. It is obvious they want to appeal, and unfortunately many people have a tendency to follow the pastors because they believe they know best. <BR/>Well, let’s hope we can get a good turnout for the vote and let God’s will be done.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com