- Presbyterian Outlook forum post 6/4/2007 EPC/NW is destructive.
- 2 posts: Presbyterian Outlook 9/26/2007 EPC is no better and 10/11/2007 Lockout of "stayers"
- Presbyterian Outlook: 7/29/2007 No respect for desentors at MPC
- New Wineskins blog 7/24/2007: Pain of Seperation
- Layman 9/10/2007 Peter's Creek - Pain of Separation, EPC women. Also a response from Rev. Austin Olive.
- Layman 6/20/2007 Memorial Park vote was biased.
Organize the web stories, info on the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) troubles: Property Ownership, Church Withdrawals, Ordination Standards, Hierarchical vs. Connectional.
Thursday, October 18, 2007
A Review of a Critic
I gathered some information on Carol Joan Schaef, a member of Memorial Park in McCandless, PA. She seems to accuse EPC of many things while condemning EPC for accusing PCUSA of many things. Her man objection to changing denominations is "personal pain following church separation." I have not found where she defends the changes at PCUSA.
After reading all of her comments, I have little respect for her viewpoints or her actions. The decision has been made by the vast majority: 951-93. It is time for those in the minority to either accept the decision or to graciously move on to another church.
One of the members of our church left for another PCUSA church and unlike others, he did so graciously and did not speak ill of those he left behind. I still have respect for him, even when I do not agree with some of his opinions. This is the sign of a true Christian.
Here is the list of her blogs/letters. Unfortunately, Layman does not allow a direct link to individual letters.
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This woman's campaign against Memorial Park Church and the EPC has grown very tiresome. She was quick to condemn another church moving to the EPC, Londonderry Church in New Hampshire, for allegedly locking out dissidents from a worship service. The problem is, that did not occur. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a retraction though.
John Erthein
Elderton, PA (soon to be pastor of the Westminster Presbyterian Church in Erie, PA)
At least one person says the things that need to be said. We need more people like Carol Joan who are not afraid to speak out.
John Erthein - I feel sorry for you. Mr. "soon to be pastor" spends his time surfing the web in judgement of people. Only God judges. I feel so sorry for your congregation. What does your session feel about your posting things all over the internet? These are the kind of pastors churches have these days.
Why don't you spend time actually trying to help people that are need? Did you spend any time in prayer over this?
Toshiba,
"help people that are [in] need?" You are reflecting the thinking of Judas.
Prayer, I pray several times a day, including praying for those who speak against me and other conservatives. I also thank God for the free country we have. Unlike the rules of many Presbyteries, We can still speak out on issues. That does not include slander and libel.
I am sure both sides have sinned against the other side in their dealings. We are human after all. Both sides have opinions on what is following God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
The conservatives have put up with the liberal takeover since the late 60's (1760's that is!) Only in the last 40 years have they resorted to tactics that give them an unfair advantage, both in PC(USA) and the Episcopal Churh.
My own session and pastor are afraid to speak the truth about PC(USA), our presbytery will move against them in unholy terror. That is why I started this site to bring out the truth that PC(USA) still has not admitted about the schism caused by the liberal wing.
BTW, Why are you commenting on a two month old post with only feelings and not any facts?
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