Showing posts with label EOP_OK. Show all posts
Showing posts with label EOP_OK. Show all posts

Tuesday, September 30, 2008

EOP VICIOUSLY kicks Kirk while it is down!

Layman has details on the EOP settlement proposal: Okla. Presbytery wants Kirk to pay $2.4 million in rent
  • The church is approximately 100,000 sq. ft.
  • With a parking garage in a prime Tulsa location.
  • the facility is in excellent shape and completely furnished.
  • Using a Rental rate at $12 per square foot.
  • Which would be below the commercial rate in the area for Class A space
  • seeks to gain control of its financial assets when the suit was filed in 2006 ($52,218.09)
Other Info:
  • The presbytery also wants the Kirk to pay its legal costs. $500K?
  • The presbytery also wants Breach of Contract Damages $??
I will wept for EOP to return to the Lord's love and repent of the ways of man.

I beg Kirk to put all of the INFO on their website so the rest of EOP may judge its leaders and hold them accountable.

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Monday, September 29, 2008

FPC Tulsa to discuss the "Kirk Situation"?

From a Kirk Member:
I was just advised that Dr. Jim Miller , First Presbyterian Church has invited members of his congregation to a meeting in their chapel at 4:00 pm , September 28th and again at 12:15 on October 5th to openly discuss the "Kirk Situation" and its implications for the PSUSA

ED: I was unable to confirm this on FPC Tulsa website. Many people believe that FPC is the driving force in EOP to attack Kirk at all costs.

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Friday, September 26, 2008

EOP kicks Kirk while it is down!

From the comment

The Kirk congregational meeting has been changed to 6:30 pm October 8 on advice from our attorneys. There is a hearing on October 6 and they feel it best to have the meeting after that so the congregation can have all the details before voting.

The Kirk is being given 2 options by EOP:

  • Buy the building and property for $1.75 million
  • Leave the building. There can be no appeal unless the members vote to leave.

There are strong arguments for both options, and I really don't know which way the vote will go. Pray for God to guide us in this matter.

A Kirk member

ED: I thought the EOP could go no lower! My shame of being a member of EOP has increased 10 fold.

The EOP has the full agreement on their website(PDF). EOP approved this unanimously on Sept 19. I did not see it on the agenda. This meeting is the least attended Presbytery due to the location and it being a weekend meeting. Sneaky!

Proposed Kirk of the Hills Settlement

Kirk info:

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EOP responses to Kirk's Objections

Court Entry: Sept 25 2008 4:13PM: Deft Eastern Oklahoma Presbytery's Response & Objections Concerning Motion To Settle Journal Entry
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Thursday, August 28, 2008

Kirk Hearing Rescheduled Sept 9 (Tue)

The hearing has been reset for 9/9/08 at 1:30 PM (according to the Official Court Website).

Conference Call with all Parties agreed to the new date.

I was notified around 8:30 *PM* Wed night that is was "canceled" due to "Administrative Conflict", by subscribing to the Kirk email list, even though I don't live there and am not a member...

Layman Article: New hearing date in Kirk property dispute is Sept. 9

BTW I am planning to attend this trial and will blog results as soon after the trial that I can. The Tulsa library has free Wi-fi "next door" to the courthouse.

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Tuesday, August 5, 2008

Kirk Of the Hills Hearing Set - Aug 28 UPDATED

From the Official Court Website: (Aug 5 2008 2:10 PM)

Kirk Of the Hills vs PCUSA & EOP

Motions for Summary Judgment Hearing Set - Aug 28 9:00 am

UPDATE From an Kirk Member in comments:

The attorneys for both sides contacted Judge Sellers concerning the hearing, and he indicated he has not made a decision yet. He has not finished reading all the material but will finish by the hearing date. He doesn't want to hear formal arguments from either side but will ask any questions he has. He may or may not make a ruling on 8/28.

Tulsa World (newspaper) article

Layman Story and Time line (missing sur-reply)Kirk of the Hills property dispute hearing on Aug. 28

NOTE: The last brief was filed on May 23, 2008 (Kirk: Sur-reply)

Note: The way I caught this so fast (48 min), I use Firefox for my browser, with an extension "Update Scanner", that alerts me if a web page changes!

I think I will take a day off and attend this "trial".

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